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Google’s chief emissary to the news business is stepping down — and looking back

Nieman Lab · Bill Adair · last updated

Richard Gingras, Google’s longtime global vice president for news — one of the most influential people in journalism in the last decade — announced last week that he was retiring from the company. In an email to colleagues titled “Onward, the next chapter,” Gingras said a focus of his future work would be, “How can we bring people together?”

Although he is most famous for his time at Google, his previous jobs in media and tech companies show he has often been ahead of the curve. In 1979, Gingras ran a test for KCET-TV on “broadcast teletext” that provided a prescient look at what the internet and Google would eventually provide. The segment looks a little silly now, but it shows his smart sense of where technology was headed.

At Google, Gingras oversaw news products and served as the tech giant’s liaison with media companies. He directed how Google displayed news in search results and other products. He explained the company’s business to skeptical news executives and responded to their concerns that Google was stealing their revenue. He also pushed them to modernize their digital publishing.

Under his direction, the company gave grants and provided training to journalists and researchers. (Disclosure: The Duke Reporters’ Lab, which I direct, received some of those grants to support fact-checkers.) But the money didn’t stop news executives from grousing that Google was hurting their business. And now, with AI taking over search results, publishers have a new worry: that Google users won’t click through to their articles.

A few years ago, Gingras stepped back into a smaller role as “senior advisor, news.” Last week’s announcement was not a surprise, but it appears so far that no one in the company has taken on the same high-visibility role that Gingras had. So at a time when AI is transforming Google and its products, his departure could be as much a loss for the media industry as it is for the company.

Before [Village Media CEO Jeff Elgie] founded Village and its first property up in Ontario, he ran a digital ad agency. So he was very sophisticated in understanding digital advertising and local advertising. But what intrigues me about the model is this: It really starts with the mission. How do we create the fabric for the community that allows them to get the information they need and engage with each other and, in so doing, strengthen the communities that Village serves? That’s a powerful statement.

In fact, Village [doesn’t see itself] as just a news site. It’s a community impact platform. How do we engage? One key element is to start with the content mix. If you do research on a community’s information needs — and by the way, I generally feel that news organizations need to do more real, thorough research about the markets they’re looking to serve — what you find is that people’s information needs are, first of all, highly proportionate to physical proximity. I want to know what’s going on in my community, in my neighborhood. Next, the city; next, the state; and so on.

Those information needs are far beyond accountability journalism, which is absolutely critical. But it also means what’s going on in the community park this weekend. What about local sports? How about the potholes on Main Street? And by the way, that information will drive far more engagement than the accountability journalism. Obituaries will gain more engagement than the accountability journalism. That’s a powerful fact.

The key thing about Village from a business model perspective is it’s 80% local, direct-sold advertising, no paywalls. So you’re reaching deep into the community. In some of their markets, 25% of the community is engaging with them at least three times a week. That’s a powerful statement.

On bias and fact-based journalism

 

Adair: I want to ask you a couple of things about your Medium posts. You talk about reducing the perception of bias. I’m all for that. But here’s the problem: How can we do that with asymmetry in our political parties? If there is one party that lies more, is anti-democratic, is consistently against the news media, and then if the news media calls them out, then that party is going to call the news media biased. And that, in fact, is that party’s whole MO. How can the media avoid bias or looking biased without creating false balance? It’s a difficult environment out there.

 

Gingras: It is a very difficult environment. And I don’t mean to suggest any of this is easy. I do think it requires a whole lot of careful thought along many dimensions. And by the way, in a politically divisive world with pretty strong extremes at one end versus the other, I tend to think that it’s really important to try to reach across the spectrum as much as possible to find what we hope will be a fat middle.

I do think, however, it’s important to present fact-based journalism in a fashion that leads more people to trust it for what it is. And I think that requires many different aspects.

Is your fact-based journalism surrounded by a bunch of opinion content? As I pointed out, linguistics matters. I’m fascinated by the work of [University of Florida professor] Janet Coats about linguistics in the journalistic environment and her fascinating study of the George Floyd protests and the pairing of words like “ignite,” “erupt,” “explode” with regard to the protests, often subconsciously. Did that contribute to people’s perceptions that maybe the protests were violent when they weren’t?

[Village] doesn’t do political endorsements. We strive to be assiduously apolitical. I think that’s important if we’re going to achieve that objective of being a source of fact-based journalism for the community.

 

Adair: Lightning round. What’s the newsletter you subscribe to that will surprise people?

 

Gingras: 1440.

 

Adair: The college course you think everyone should take?

 

Gingras: Two things. I think journalism training is extraordinarily important for things beyond journalism. The second thing I’d say is public speaking and debate.

 

Adair: Your favorite thing to get at the Google cafeteria?

 

Gingras: The yogurt malt balls. I have the palate of a child. It’s the snacks that kill me.

 

Adair: Subject of your most recent Google search?

 

Gingras: Okay, well, my most recent Gemini [Google’s AI tool] search. I’m going to Norway to do a speaking engagement and I added three days to drive around Norway and do drone videography. I told Gemini, “I’m going to land in Oslo. I want to stop in Bergen and end in Lillehammer. And I have three days. Will you give me several options for scenic drives and what I should stop and see? And by the way, I’m taking my drone.” It did a marvelously fine job of that. And I planned the entire thing, including booking hotels, in less than 90 minutes.

 

Adair: How many tabs do you have open on your browser right now?

 

Gingras: Embarrassing number. Let’s see. Probably 32. Oh. Are there any windows for different purposes? Yeah. About 35 on that one. The media tab — another 35 or 40 on that one. I love tabs. I have too many of them.

 

Bill Adair, the founder of PolitiFact, is the Knight Professor of the Practice of Journalism and Public Policy at Duke University.

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